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An Interview with Div For'e, Resident Director of twilightwomen.com

by Mike Haberfelner

May 2011

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First of all, why don't you introduce yourself to those of us who don't already know you?

 

Mike, my friends call me Bob.

 

What can you tell us about the website you work for, twilightwomen.com, and the philosophy behind it?

 

The movies I've made were originally financed by companies I owned, and later licensed to another company which developed the twilightwomen.com website. So I don't actually work for the site, although Laura, who does run it, is constantly on me to provide more edited footage.

 

In your eyes, how does twilightwomen differ from other adult websites?

 

It's true that twilightwomen.com is an adult website, but the trouble is that even the phrase "adult website" tends to conjure up a whole image complete with very specific conventions and expectations and I don't think we're even in that ballpark.

 

twilightwomen seems to consist of two main series of movies, Lesbian Seduction and House of Shame. Could you go into more detail concerning both series?

 

How these movies came about is a bit complicated and probably unusual. Some years ago now, a business I owned required some video production skills. I happened to have some background in film editing. I put together a crew, including my wife and some friends, and developed a project through which we could become more proficient with video technology.

 

The vampire saga was a three year project that involved more than a thousand people. In the last months of shooting we decided on some nudity and brought in some of the supporting cast, including Ann Ampar, to do special sequences. Everybody had fun with that but the vampire project finally closed.

 

We then went on to make the overtly erotic Lesbian Seduction-series, which led to the somewhat hardcore House of Shame.

 

Your films seem to be more character- and plot-driven than the usual current adult-fare. Would you like to elaborate on that?

 

Objectively speaking, there's not much difference in the definitions of pornography and erotica, but to my way of thinking there is a difference. I think porno is simply the recording of a sexual act. Its justification is: they are doing it, whatever it might be. Depending on how extreme or different, this can be interesting and is certainly a popular mainstream genre. I have never had a desire to make that kind of movie and, I've said many times before, wouldn't know how to do it and most surely not as well as the people in that business.

 

I prefer getting to know the characters and following some progression of events leading finally to a sexual climax. If it takes many hours of viewing to get there, it's fine with me. But that violates the rules of porno in which the show is the time it takes to get the viewer off (20 minutes).

 

Also, sex itself is not visually dramatic for me. I love to look at women, obviously. But the drama comes not from wanting sex and having it. It comes from wanting it and, for whatever reason, not wanting it. It comes from that conflict. That is what interests me. It will happen, but a submission to the desire must be there.

 

I know trying to explain what you're trying to do is dumb, but you asked!

 

There is almost invariably a BDSM-context to your films.Your thoughts about that, and to what extent does the content of your films correspond with your own sexual predilections/experiences?

 

I'm not personally into BDSM. It can connect with the Dominant-Submissive theme in a strong way and that seems to me something that a character could want and resist. If both characters were just happily "playing roles" it wouldn't be my thing.

 

The sex on twilightwomen is pretty much exclusively of the lesbian variety. Is there any chance a male will eventually been thrown into the mix, or have you even been tempted to do so?

 

I don't know how to get a male performer to be erotic, even in a softcore way. Although women love our movies and many assume they were made by a woman, they are what a male would like to see. A woman, of course, may want to see a man in a sexual way, but I've no interest.

 

Your films are rather explicit in their depiction of sexuality. Is there a line you just won't cross, your actresses won't cross, and/or are there things you'd love to do but cannot on twilightwomen?

 

We've got a lot of pee, fisting and incest already shot that will pay off, in the House of Shame movies. If I have one absolute back-off, it's children.

 

The women I've worked with were very up-front about anything they wouldn't do. Casting is an important part of the process. We turn away far more than we use, super-sensitive to what I call the "prostitute" attitude (I'll do this if you'll pay me that). We only use those who are on some level into the fun of making movies. They become friends and trust us to protect them.

 

twilightwomen seems to have quite a stable of regular performers. A few words about at least some of them?

 

The only performer I actually ended up using who thought of herself as a professional porn star was "Zille". I thought she had remarkable talent but was way too full of herself for me to use more than a few times. But the rest are non-professionals and Mike, I've made it a rule not to discuss them as real people.

What can you tell us about your filmmaking experiences before twilightwomen?

 

I made a student film in 1960. Other than that, all my experience was as a film editor. The reason for making the vampire saga was to learn video technology. The best way to learn is to get the equipment and develop a project, get some friends and go at it.

 

What made you want to go into filmmaking (and into adult filmmaking at that) in the first place?

 

I always wanted to make movies. Movies were always the primary interest in my life. But you need a lot of money to make a film. But the people who would give you the money unfortunately would like to at least get it back and the movies I wanted to make had little or no financial viability.

 

The first time I saw The Night of the Hunter was 1955. I was 15 years old. I've seen it at least a hundred times since. It still blows me away and I think it's still years ahead of its time, even though now it gets some of the recognition it deserves. It never made a dime and it was a relatively inexpensive production.

 

Video is another matter, of course. We can all be Charles Laughton and do our thing.

 

As for the adult genre, I thought I could make what I'd like to see and nobody else was making. I like westerns, but they made Shane and Once Upon A Time in the West; good enough for me. I like war movies, but The Thin Red Line does it for me.

 

Have you ever made/have you ever considered to make films outside of the erotic genre?

 

We made Vampire Odyssey Part One and Two and the Beatnik Movie. The clips from those movies that appear on the website are extended scenes, or sequences that were only experiments in lighting. Very little of it is in or was ever intended to be in the final films proper. Those films themselves were not in any way intended as erotic material. The hundreds of hours of vampire stuff that ultimately will be on the site will amount to about 15 minutes spread over the seven hours length of the real movie.

 

Future projects you'd like to talk about?

 

I'm committed to completing the series we have going.

 

Filmmakers who inspire you?

 

I'm very curious about Terrence Malick's next film, but all my guys are long gone. Sergio Leone is my God, George Stevens, Elia Kazan, John Huston. They were at the top of their game just as I was becoming obsessed with movies. But I admire just about anyone who can get a movie made.

 

I agree with you that The Grapes of Wrath is a great movie and probably his best, but no matter how good his other films are on a number of levels, John Ford fucks them up with what he thinks is funny. I like some of Hitchcock's films very much, but along with Ford he is, in my opinion, the most overrated of the masters, and the easiest to copy.

 

Ok, having said that, let's get down to it - coming down from film school land…

 

Jess Franco: Started at the top with Orson Welles and worked his way methodically down to not giving a shit and making his films which are sometimes sublime. His perversity is what I love.

 

Joe Sarno: His black-and-white 60's New York stuff was the only actually erotic stuff I saw in those days. And I love his Euro stuff, especially Siv, Anne and Sven. His sex scenes are limited, repetitive, awkwardly placed within the film, and I think poorly edited. But they have a kind of intimacy nobody else I know went for.

 

Jean Rollin: Not so much the films themselves but the characters in them, particularly the two orphans - an idea I ripped for our vampire story.

 

I hope that gives you some idea.

 

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Your favourite movies?

 

I'll send you a year by year chronological list if you'd like, but not now.  Laura is always bugging me to let her put it up on the site.

 

... and of course, films you really deplore?

 

I actually paid money to see Titanic when it first came out. I don't know exactly how that happened. There was all this buzz I guess I bought into. Anyway, I kept standing up and my wife kept grabbing me and making me sit. I felt so foolish sitting in this audience watching what for me was monumental crap. I remember thinking with all that money and technology and a real historical event, how could anyone do what Cameron did. I tried to watch Avatar on my giant TV screen but only got about 20 minutes into it. I'm not saying these are the worst movies ever made. It's just annoying to me that the general movie audience embraces this stuff and has more or less been embracing it since 1980.

 

I'm babbling on. What saved the day was home video and our access to all those movies that we missed.

 

Your website, Facebook, whatever else?

 

Here are some places you can find us online:

 

http://twilightwomen.com.

 

http://www.facebook.com/divfore

http://www.facebook.com/pages/twilightwomencom/86308695731

 

http://myspace.com/divfore

http://www.myspace.com/twilightwomen

 

Anything else you are dying to mention and I have merely forgotten to ask?

 

Mike, I want to thank you for writing about our films. I personally liked what you said about "real time". That's a way of saying what we were actually trying to create a sense of that I miss in other forms of erotica. And keep up what you're doing.

 

Oh! One last thing: What's up with The Adventures of Robin Hood being "cheesy"? I would think that no matter what one thought of that film, "cheesy" would not be it.

 

Love,

Bob (Div For'e)

 

Thanks for the interview!

 

© by Mike Haberfelner


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